the point is, when does the conversation about meaningful action become meaningful action? at what point does -- you know, the sentence most haunting for me was regardless of the politics. in that sentence is an ocean of a tsunami of drama. >> right, right. >> because it's the politics that has paralyzed our motion when it comes to policy. >> well, were you cheered -- cheered is the wrong word -- were you encouraged by the president's state yesterday? >> you know, i was encouraged only because the tone seemed a little bit different. the tone was even different than after he spoke about gabby giffords, his tone was a slightly different after aurora. so that's where i'm going on it. i have to say, you know, earlier in the day when the press conference -- or i should say when this press person came out and said today was not the day to talk about it. i mean, i was on the phone to the white house like you couldn't believe, mainly because, when do we take about it then? we've been talking about this, talking about this. i'm tired of talking about this. this is when action has to